Thu 5 May 2005
I wanted to post this a long time ago but then forgot about it, and just today it came back to me….
I’ll try to make it short. Remember MTC pre-vodafone? This used to be their logo, although im not sure about the colors on the side but thats the only I found.

Then, one day, MTC decided to change their logo. It turned into this -

Then there were rumors of MTC joining with Vodafone. That set off a logo war. Wataniya’s logo at the time was this -

As soon as news was out, they changed their logo to this -

which is eerily similar to vodafone’s logo -

and they started their “الأحمر يعبر” campaign, in which they wanted to take the red corporate identity away from Vodafone before it came to MTC.
Anyway, MTC gradually introduced the red line at the bottom untill they got to their current logo -

This logo shows the partnership and how MTC is the main partner with vodafone being a smaller part.
Anyway, all that story was just an intro for my point…..
We all heard about the new banking license, and how many banks are trying to enter the Kuwaiti market, and we heard so many rumours about banks merging, banks being taken over, and so on….
The most successful bank in Kuwait, in terms of business and I would say in terms of brand value has to be NBK. Their logo is nice and simple and, more importantly, very very strong!

So why would NBK play around with such a successful brand image and logo???? They changed it recently to this -

I think this one is hidious! Its ugly! You have something beautiful and you destroy it with one small line! red?! RED??! Since when does NBK have anything to do with red?? And adding that line at the bottom reminded me alot of what MTC did, so my first thoughts were that there are future plans for NBK to have some kind of partnership with a major bank! But that doesnt make sense, it already is one of the most successful banks in the region, and when I asked people in the marketing department of NBK they said that its nothing, just a new look!? Changing the brand identity is not just a new look! They added the red line to all their signage at the branches too if you noticed….
So, in conclusion, whats the secret behind the small red line? Is it preparing customers for a major change that will involve red in the future? Or is a defence mechanism like Wataniya to use the color before HSBC and Citibank come in?!
Any thoughts on the issue?
If Im right about this, then I deserve a Pulitzer!
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May 5th, 2005 at 11:02 am
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May 5th, 2005 at 11:03 am
They’re merging with gulf bank ?!
May 5th, 2005 at 11:12 am
All jokes aside, that could be an option if they see that they cant compete with the HSBC’s and Citibank’s of the world that come to Kuwait, although there is ALOT of politics involved!
May 5th, 2005 at 11:21 am
even if citibank or HSBC come to Kuwait, I don’t think its gonna be easy for them to compete against the local banks if we were talking about the retail sector.
And about the NBK mering with GB.. I don’t think so.
May 5th, 2005 at 11:29 am
Watinya changed their logo because it was a DIRECT copy of McGraw-Hill. So they had to change it. Sadly they didn’t hire some experts to design it, I mean its a W and 9 WTF! You call that a logo?
NBK is just getting a face lift to their logo. I doubt they are going to merge with any local bank in Kuwait or international one. I know they are buying out other companies in the area and moving to other markets. I think that red line might be something for the future to be a global brand.
May 5th, 2005 at 11:59 am
Ok. Firstly, I believe when MTC introduced the new logo it was together with the Vodafone partnership and not alone. I could be wrong though but thats not important anyway. Wataniya changed their logo for one major reason, their old logo was a copy of another existing logo. They had a competition before to design the logo and the person who won had copied it. So Wataniya went ahead and rebranded. Recently another company had the same issue. Financial Investment’s older logo turned out to have been copied from a small company in the states also. So they went and rebranded and currently have the red 3D sphere with KFIC written in it.
About Wataniya trying to steal the red from Vodafone, I think its more like Pepsi and Coca Cola. MTC had the color blue, Wataniya wanted the color Red. MTC also didn’t gradually introduce the red line at the bottom, that came with the MTC+Vodafone branding overnight. MTC did not tease or try to introduce vodafone into the market by slowly slowly adding red, it just happened overnight in a super large campaign. If MTC and Vodafone wanted the color red, they could have taken it from Wataniya. MTC are a larger and more successful company then Wataniya which means they could have spent a lot more money to make red theirs, but they dont want the red, MTC has blue.
Now NBK is a brand I know more about. I personally dislike the red “swish” myself. I also dislike the idea of introducing the color RED to NBK specially when NBK is known for being blue and Gulf Bank for being red. But, I can assure you this process of the red swish didn’t happen as a spur of the moment decision. I can’t go into specifics but I can tell you that a well known international agency who specializes in re-branding banks worked with NBK on this. The process took a very long time and it involved many new logo ideas and colors and a lot of research. In the end the red swish turned out to be the best solution according to market research. NBK is not planning a merger, and definitely not one with Gulf Bank. The red swish is a way of NBK upgrading their image while preserving the NBK Blue and Camel we all love.
So, the NBK logo is the new look as you would put it. They rebranded and with re-branding comes a lot of changes. Yes they put the small red swish on all their signages, ofcourse they would. Why wouldnt they? They REBRANDED. That means they changed their logo so they have to replace ALL their old logos with the new one which includes the swish.
There is no conspiracy here. Wataniya changed their logo because their old one was stolen. NBK didn’t introduce red swish because they are planning to merge with HSBC or Citibank, they did it to help renew their image. You have to understand something, if NBK was planning on merging with another bank, they wouldn’t tease you or prepare you for it. It would be a heavily guarded secret and then one day out of the blue u hear about it and see a new logo etc..
Hope this clears things up.
May 5th, 2005 at 12:04 pm
In reply to Nibaq about the Wataniya being a terrible logo because its only a w and a 9. Basically, a complicated logo doesnt make a good logo. Look at Orange, its just orange written in an orange box. Does that mean its a bad logo?
I am not saying the Wataniya logo is really good or bad, but I am saying if you are gonna say a logo is bad it has to be for a reason other then “I mean its a W and 9 WTF! You call that a logo?”. come on dude..
May 5th, 2005 at 12:16 pm
I personally like the Wataniya logo, but because its a direct copy of Vodafone’s logo, I dont really like it for lack of creativity! Mark, I hace to disagree with you about the Coca Cola Pepsi comparison with this issue! Im sure Wataniya changed their logo after they saw it was taken from another company, but that doesnt change the fact that they picked this new one, which is a defence mechanism and takes the red away from Vodafone. Nothing about their older image had red!
As for MTC, i have to differ with you, they did slowly bring in the red, it wasnt an overnight thing. They started with the new MTC, then with a red line at the bottom, and it actually increased in size within a few weeks until it reached what it did.
I think MTC played it right by slowly introducing the new foreign big corporation into the Kuwaiti market. As for Wataniya, that was a totally reactive move instead of being proactive, which really shows weakness!
As for NBK, im not sure about how long JWT has been their ad agency, they know the company and they did an excellent job for all the years they;ve been doing it, I find it really hard to believe that this red swish is simply an effort of rebranding. It could be, but why now? why did it happen only when the law passed? My only argument would be that its a first step of something bigger, as in a bigger rebranding move.
But again, I agree with you in not liking the red swish, and that it doesnt suit NBK!
You mentioned market research, what market research?! Done here in Kuwait? Done in the region? Or done in the US for corporate identity?? When talking about Kuwait, NBK is the benchmark, its not just a brand, its the superbrand! So market research that is used in the US is not applicable here in this case in my opinion.
Sorry for the really long response, but I really love this subject and I rarely get a chance to discuss it. And your input adds alot to a discussion like this, so keep it coming
May 5th, 2005 at 12:55 pm
dude, the watniya logo and vodafone logo are not that similar. Just because both involve a circle doesnt mean anything. Wataniya was not trying to and cannot try to compete with Vodafone. Wataniya chose red to differenciate itself from MTC. I gave you pepsi and coca cola as a perfect example. If Wataniya can’t go with with blue, what colors are left? Red, Green, Yellow and Black. Yellow and Black are out of the question. So you are stuck with green and red. Red works on more applications then green. So they went with red.
Once again, the MTC red strip happened over night. What you are talking about doesnt make sense. MTV and Vodafone use a tiny red line on the bottom with the blue. This line has been the same size from the begining. Its part of their identity, it hasn’t increased in size. They are not allowed to change its size.
About the NBK red swish, it didnt happen after the law. I told you this was a long process. Over 1 year long easily. I have infront of me a timeline of logos they went through and it started over a year ago the first version.
The research was done here in Kuwait and many people didn’t want to see the NBK logo go so in the end of the research the conclusion was NBK cant change the logo completly but they can modify it. Thats when the red swish came in.
There is nothing bigger in terms of company mergings. Its just a full rebranding and you will see it soon in the branches not only as a new logo. You will have to wait and see what i am talking about
May 5th, 2005 at 1:31 pm
Mark, the logo is crap, there is no need to explain why I dont like it.
It is like talking about the weather. There is dust storm outside currently. I dont have to explain why the weather is crap, it is given.
May 5th, 2005 at 1:57 pm
Nibaq the problem is this is not your field and so you wouldn’t know what is a good logo and what is a bad one. The same way I wouldn’t know what soil is good for growing tomatoes.
You can have your own point of view, you can say that you dont like the logo ofcourse. Maybe you dont like the color or the shape, but keep in mind that would just be your point of view.
If you want to critisize a logo and call it a crap logo not just because you don’t like it but because it is actually a crap logo, then you need to say why and what makes it a crap logo.
I for one find it much easier to critisize the BKME logo then the wataniya. The reason is the Wataniya logo is a much better designed one.
May 5th, 2005 at 2:15 pm
I don’t like the Wataniya logo. In fact, I don’t like the “Wataniya” name. Writing a non-English word in English is fine if your name is Sony or Honda, but “Wataniya” is pushing it. The logo with the w and و is simply an extension of the haphazard branding of this company.
Look at their ads; you’d think the person who designed them is color blind, and they are so cheap, especially the Xpress ads.
MTC, on the other hand, is a class act. Not only are they more successful, but they are acting like a multinational corporation, and they are. I give them five years before they are listed on the NYSE.
All in all, MTC has five, count them, five brands. Check it out:
http://www.mtc.com.kw/index.htm
May 5th, 2005 at 4:01 pm
Before vodafone MTC used to use a blue bar instead of the new red bar. They changed the size and the orientation of that bar many times, I think this is what Q is talking about. I agree with mark the whole new blue logo with the red vodafone bar happened overnight.
The Watanya logo is crap indeed BECAUSE the ‘waw’ is so crammed up to the left and it’s not taking an equal ‘visual weight’ as the ‘W’. Plus the line doesn’t flow smoothly from the ‘W’ to the ‘waw’, it’s a cut-n-paste job basically. HOWEVER the logo’s simplicity make up for the shitty design, I mean a logo like that can easily be reproduced unlike the new bkme logo.
The swish is nothing but one of these visual trends, they needed to make the logo look new, hip and cool I guess. Market Research for a swish? Some Ad Agencies know how to milk their clients to the last drop.
May 5th, 2005 at 6:21 pm
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May 5th, 2005 at 9:22 pm
Nibaq,
its not a 9 in the wataniya logo, its a waw in arabic.. that doesn’t justify why it looks like crap though..
I hate the mtc logo, i mean the mtc part of it.. it looks as its something for beach apparel, or محل طراريد..
Mark,
Your input is so valuable..
But why would they rebrand if they’ve just done that like 4 years ago.. in terms of color.. it was green and now its blue.. why wouldn’t they do the whole changing color and logo at that time.. why now?
I think the swish gives a younger edge to the logo.. not that I like it.. but I thought that it was only for they’re online stuff.. hence the “young” reference,, but it seems that its for the whole thing..
Q,
Khosh mawtho3 ..
بومريوم
الريال يقولك الشعار كله مبيوق.. ردت على الحرف .. عاد تصدق أنا أقول وين شايف هالحرف من قبل..
The link Nibaq had for McGraw-Hill didn’t work with me,, here’s another one..
http://www.logodesignworks.com/vectorlogos/M/tn/Mcgraw-Hill.gif
May 6th, 2005 at 9:01 am
Rasheed,
You burned two ideas on me: old green NBK and the swish to appeal to the younger generation.
A camel and green (grass and trees where you wouldn’t normally find a camel). Could be a desert oasis =)
I too think Wataniya’s name and logo are crap. And I’m no expert in this field. I’m only a simple customer who gets turned off everytime I see their not-so-appealing-to-me logo.
May 6th, 2005 at 2:09 pm
The worst logo of all is the BMW logo.
May 6th, 2005 at 4:05 pm
the best logo on earth is Qockett my brand
then BMW
and
al a7mar is the best color for arabs .!! dont you think guys?
red is a color that speaks to every arab mind it simply attract them ..(theeran shensawee)
May 6th, 2005 at 4:08 pm
oh NIBAQ its nothing like Mcgrow Hill common plz i have tons of books with that logo and nothing is like it?
May 6th, 2005 at 6:50 pm
BMW is the worst of the worst!
May 7th, 2005 at 10:17 am
Damn it.. I missed one of my favorite subjects. I blame the dust!
But here goes… MTC’s logo is crap. I’m only referring to the MTC part, and it does look like it belongs on a beach towel.
Wataniya’s logo is silly but they have somehow managed to apply it properly. Remember folks, its all in the application!
NBK’s red swish is more a nod to Gulf Bank than any foreign competitors. Totally unnecessary in my opinion. NBK may have a more recognizable LOGO, but their lack of consistency in presenting their brand image has not done it any favors. Compare with Gulf Bank whose strong identity has been consistent for several years. Its not just the GB logo, but their whole campaigns that are instantly recognizable.
BKME.. WTF??!!
Mark, do you know who did the branding research for NBK? It can’t be JWT-TMI! I can’t believe the stingy bastards actually forked out the cash for an international branding company!
Branding is a subject very dear to my heart. Sadly very few companies here in Kuwait understand the concept, and I’m talking both clients and agencies. Many local agencies don’t understand the science behind branding, while most clients think they can make do with any logo, drawn up by some freelancer.. You should see some of the crap I’ve had to deal with!!
For more on my views on the sad state of Kuwaiti brands, CLICK HERE
May 7th, 2005 at 11:44 am
Does there have to be a hidden meaning behind everything one does? Maybe NBK added the red line just to refresh their logo.
May 7th, 2005 at 11:44 pm
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May 7th, 2005 at 11:50 pm
BKME!!!!!!!!!!!! the specturm? pearl? a friend thought it was a soap bubble!! NBK and the red line.. is it a subliminal message saying the bank is not profitable? the red line has to go, and so does the BKME biosphere.
May 8th, 2005 at 1:19 am
They probably were afraid to be mixed up with camel cigarettes so they added a red line to make it different.If you add a sign like:
“SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH”
It would definitively link the bank
and the cigarette manufacturer.
May 8th, 2005 at 9:07 am
NBK not profitable?? Yeah right!
The only people they tell that to are the poor NBK staff!!
May 8th, 2005 at 2:16 pm
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interesting topic …. but i’m going to comment on something totally off-topic here… q, i have a questionnaire uploaded u can find it on my blog on todays post. i’d really like to get ur views as well.
(the invitation is open for everyone else as well)
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