Sun 24 Apr 2005
I got back last night from my trip, and I will give full details very soon, but when I came back and looked at the newspapers, I was shocked when I read about this latest murder!
This reminded me alot of the last murder a few months ago in January when the father killed his daughter, and was planning to kill the others too if he had time!
In January’s murder, the father apparently just came back from Hajj, and he proceeded to kill his daughter. In this week’s murder, the father just got back from Umrah two days before the murder.
Please, don’t get me wrong here, and don’t think of this as an attack on anything! This is just me thinking out loud, trying to find a connection! And let me get this straight out, Umrah and Hajj are a wonderful experience and a closer bond to God that I would love to try sometime.
Keep an open mind in this one….
OK, obviously, someone who kills his own children is someone who is very deeply disturbed. This person’s mind does not work the same way as yours or mine does. These two men are deeply troubled, and both suffer from some sort of paranoia judging from the the circumstances, one person killing his 13 year old daughter because he had doubts about her actions (autopsy showed that he was just dillusional), and this guy kills his children because of doubts about his wife!
What would happen if you take a troubled (and maybe weak) mind and take them to a place of such grandeur that can shower your brain with so many emotions? The feeling of entering a mosque stirs something inside each of us, imagine multiplying that by infiniti!
All the old churches in Europe are huge, and for one main reason, to show you the greatness of God and how small you are in his presence. I have never been to Mecca, but just thinking of a place so big, being surrounded by tens of thousands of pilgrims from all around the world, all wearing white and concentrating on one thing, and seeing the Ka’aba in front of you, the holiest symbol of Islam, must make the strongest person in the world feel weak in God’s presence!
In the presence of greatness, in the churches in Europe and much more obviously in the wide spaces Mecca, an individual feels insignificant in the bigger scheme of things, he is nothing but a piece of sand on a beach.
I am sure different people feel different things when in Mecca. I am also sure that some people lose sense of reality when faced with the flooding all these overwhelming emotions. Could a disturbed mind lose value for human life after seeing how small he is in the bigger picture??
Obviously, there are bigger reasons and deeper insights into these people’s minds, and that is left to the experts. But for some reason I couldn’t get this idea out of my mind when I read the newspapers…..any thoughts?
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April 24th, 2005 at 6:04 pm
hello.. I have been a silent reader for a while.. but since u mentioned the key word “murderes”.. i am all for it
firstly .. there is no doubt in my mind that these individuals have some sort of menatl/psychological disturbances .. and if we dig deep in their past we would realise that there have always been indications to support this ..
Unfortunately in our society, these markers are undermined if noticed at all.. for example, Killing a cat after torturing it might be seen funny in our society and might be encouraged by the gaurdians as an act of courage.. from a psychological point of view this is an indicator of a deeply supressed anger and hatred and might grow into a total lack of empathy thus pavementing the road for the growth of a sociopath..
Sociopaths have no ability to interpret the human feelings.. They copy the actions of others and use it in the right circumstances.. So you can imagine the devotion that they would have religiously or atherwise not because they believe in it only because they know that in society this is percieved as “the ultimate” good .. at least thats what i believe..
I am sorry if my first comment is that long .
April 24th, 2005 at 6:09 pm
we do also know that they work in the government , and drive cars and live in houses and have maids , and are maried , and have more than 3 children ,
they are a lot of stuff similar , yet you can’t chose something and make it a connection .
April 24th, 2005 at 7:42 pm
Interesting insight Q. However let’s not forget that those two psychos represent a teeny tiny percentage of all the masses that have felt tiny in such a great place. So I don’t see a very clear pattern.
You mentioned something interesting and important to make such a connection: “Could a ‘disturbed mind’ lose value for human life.” When you said a “disturbed mine,” which meant the person is already disturbed before they went there, then your arguement makes alot more sense to me. Because of that already existing disturbances and the overwhelming flow of emotions of such a place, I could imagine someone losing sense of reality and human value.
Some newspapers mentioned something about a conspiracy about the real killer. Was it the father, or the mother or the maid. Although I don’t think it’ll be anybody other than the father since you have the best, most truthful witnessses - Kids! But is there any gossip flowing about that in Kuwait?
April 24th, 2005 at 7:55 pm
sloth, thanks for commenting. I like long comments so no worries!
I agree with everything u said! We have alot of markers in our society, and we also have alot of triggers! Its a shame this is not discussed more openly publicly!
forza, working in the government, driving a car, living in a house, having a maid, being married, having more 3 children, wearing a dishdasha, eating lunch at 3, and so on, are all things that are part of our daily life and face on a daily basis! Going on a something like 3umrah or 7ajj is much more than that, its an exhilirating experience that sends alot of emotions in anyone who goes through it! It triggers alot of feelings, and for a mind that is already troubled, it my trigger something unintentionally to the wrong side! Its like being in a car accident, not everyone reacts the same way, some people might never get in a car again, some ppl might not think twice about it…its not the event, the event is just a trigger, its the person’s mind’s reaction to the trigger of emotions!
U know what I mean?
April 24th, 2005 at 7:56 pm
jandeef, yeah again its not the event of Hajj or Umra, its the feelings that flood the brain at a certain moment!
If the brain is troubled, and goes through this flood of emotions, regardless of what the situation is, it might lead to more disturbance!
April 24th, 2005 at 11:13 pm
Addition: a guy burns his mother to death, in Subah Al Salem Area. What’s your thoughts there, and it is claimed he is mentally challenged.
April 25th, 2005 at 9:22 am
So the only excuse they all use is (he is mentally ill)? They are bidoon who are taking revenge that’s my analysis. Wagfaw eltajnees o tin7al mashakel wayed
April 25th, 2005 at 11:51 am
i know that they are daily life and face on a daily basis
i don’t know about , but i went to haj twice and lost count about umra
what i want to get to is , you can’t connect something like going to haj to killing , same as you can’t connect driving
yes , it may have triggred it , just like delivering mail trigger people , ever heard of going POSTAL ? crimers hapeen here in kuwait and they happen in egypt and they happen in usa
our problem is that people do not care about their life , stress can break anyone , you have to relax
the prophet ( pbuh ) said that you should have an hour for god and an hour for your self
and also when he (pbuh ) was told about the guy who said he is going to pray all time and the second who said i’m going to fast all time and the third who said i’m not going to get married
he said that he (pbuh) is a prophet yet he pray and rest , fast and break fast , and marry women
just like in food , everything should be modarate
April 25th, 2005 at 12:31 pm
dear forza, you said
“what i want to get to is , you can’t connect something like going to haj to killing , same as you can’t connect driving”
What I am saying is not connecting Hajj to killing, I am connecting Hajj to changing something in these individual’s brains.
When I used the driving example, I was saying that dif people react dif to something like an accident. Same as dif ppl react differently to something as powerful as Hajj! Thats all it is.
April 25th, 2005 at 5:52 pm
We believe that you posed a very strong argument. For clarification, any travel even if it was an hour can trigger some disturbances in people who are vulnerable. Being in high altitude and having to rely on cabin air have been proved to provoke certain mental changes. The thing is, visiting a holy place does affect people differently; those who absorb the experience wholeheartedly react different to those who are there as part of a herd.
The other painful truth is that whatever disturbance, mental and personlaity have taken place, is very difficult to ascertain retrospectively.
Many accounts would refer to both perpetrators as ; decent character, went to pray daily, didnt harm anyone. But that does not tell us anything about their mental makeup.
I would err on the side of caution from using the term “sociopath” loosley.
Following are the criteria:
1-callous unconcern for the feelings of others.
2-gross and persistant attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms.
3- incapacity to maintain enduring relationships; though having no difficulty in establishing them.
4- very low tolerance for frustration.
5- incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particulary punishment.
6- marked proness to blame others.
(Taken from ICD-10)
So, Sociopaths have no devetion to anything or anyone other than themselves.
Thanks and sorry for the long comment.
April 25th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
S&M (no pun intended…he!), first off, thanks for taking the time to comment. Like I said earlier, I like long comments.
Great input into this issue. You are right, we definitly do not have enough information to analyze the perpetrators’ characters, and we may never know what went through their minds!
As for being called a sociopath, I tried to avoid it in my original post, I just called them disturbed! btw….r u a professional in this feild?
April 25th, 2005 at 10:38 pm
Sorry, i need to clarify. The sociopath bit was aimed at sloth.
One of us is a professional in this field.